#679 – there’s no intellectualizing that



June 24th, 2014

#679 – there’s no intellectualizing that


     

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  1. PleaseInsertPun says:

    Oh, Will, rehearsing conversations never works.

  2. Coco says:

    -vibrates happily about this comic-

  3. Streak says:

    That stubble sure is invincible though…

  4. woooow says:

    You know there's no point in shaving, Will. Why keep trying?

  5. foop says:

    fffffFFFFghskgsfkjhf!!!

    Phew. For a second I thought this was after the fact and we were watching a brooding Will replaying the conversation in his head.

    There's still hope damn it.

  6. MrFiggits says:

    Idea/Theory: He's rehearsing to talk to his supplier about getting out of the business of dealin' drugs since he doesn't want to get his ass beat over a job when he can make something of himself baking. "Hurt when you said no" = he didn't back up Will when he contacted him over the apartment incident.

    Na, that's probably dumb. I can't wait to be proven wrong though!

  7. Nno says:

    He's just cleaning up his neckline so he doesn't look like a neckbeard ya'll

  8. Mitya says:

    I wish they could just throw themselves into blissful, mindless happiness :D
    But wait! Mer's characters have an awful case of "the character depths". They have to figure themselves out and deal with their unavoidable, tragic-ish sketchyness. Just like that time when I had to pick between Katerina Ivanovna and Grushenka.

    "Read comics!" they said "It will be fun!" they said.

  9. Jen says:

    Ah, the mirror conversations.

    • @kepod says:

      I think he might be referring to this instead, given the "haha": http://www.octopuspie.com/2010-12-23/425-that-fee

    • getsiusmaior says:

      I think this event is more likely: http://www.octopuspie.com/2010-09-29/401-karaoke/

      • Kate says:

        I think it's both! Well, the dialogue from 'cut it' plus the images from 'karaoke'.

        *clicks back and forth between tabs furiously*

        • getsiusmaior says:

          Is that who the speakers are in "Cut it" (Will & Eve)? I always thought it was Will and Marigold. Deliberately ambiguous?

          • wykstrad says:

            It was Will and Eve. Will still has feelings for Eve, she's trying to dissuade him from acting on the feelings ("You're wrong. It wouldn't be worth it"). I'm guessing her reasons are partly because she doesn't want to be the cause of a breakup between two friends, partly because she doesn't want to be the one responsible for Will changing his life, and maybe partly because Eve doesn't have the highest opinion of herself- a statement like "It wouldn't be worth it," has a lot of layers to it.

            I mean, if that were Will and Marigold talking, then it would be Marigold deciding to end things ("there's nothing between us,") which would make her freakout in the story a little less understandable. Or Marigold's trying to change, and Will is trying to dissuade her from changing for his sake? But that doesn't seem to refer to anything we know about either character. Hell, it's after Will leaves that Marigold gets serious about changing.

            • Kate says:

              Because I've been procrastinating from life I made a thing with MS Paint to demonstrate where I think the Cut It dialogue fits in (please don't laugh at the bubbles).
              https://i.imgur.com/fSoPmtg.jpg

              (BTW Meredith I have labeled this with the site/your name but if you want this deleted/taken down I totally understand)

            • getsiusmaior says:

              I read the speaker in "Cut It" who says "I don't like the person I am. I haven't for a while. / But I think I can be someone better," as Marigold. Will would then be the one saying "No. There's nothing between us."

              I read it that way because much of Marigold's recent development has been about exactly that insecurity about her sense of self, and the dialogue is superimposed on a montage of her past that shows her trying on several different identities (her appearance and style change a lot from picture to picture, culminating in Hanna cutting off her locks and a further change to a businesslady identity in subsequent stories). Insecurity about one's identity is a theme in Will's development, too (just like every major character in the comic), but it seems less emphasized (maybe because he "keeps it all to himself", as Larry says).

              Or maybe I just failed to connect the dialogue with the silent scene in "Karaoke" because "Octopus Die" intruded between the two stories with some much-needed comic relief?

          • Kate says:

            Yeah, I think deliberate, if not for the sake of ambiguity then as a sort of juxtaposition: We're reading in the dialogue Will talking about redefining himself for the sake of a potential relationship, and meanwhile in the pictures we're seeing how Marigold has done exactly the same thing throughout all her actual relationships -so the comparison kind of implicitly links the stories together. That's how I interpret it, at least.

            Anyway I'm going to get off the comments now.

  10. Cthulku says:

    It looks like he’s just shaving his neck and under his chin. I do the same; it gives the good scruff up top while still looking put together. Looks more professional and such.

  11. Laura E. says:

    Dude, Will. WILL. I know that feeling so hard, bro. UGH. I am experiencing ALL the feels.

  12. Benoit says:

    you got this, older-but-still-indubitably-you will.

  13. Julian says:

    Y'know I find that mock-conversations with myself never become a real conversation with their intended participant… Will, man. You're just pushing air around. Just go and see what happens, let those city-weathered instincts guide you!

  14. Jose says:

    Women would surprised how many times men open up and say everything they're feeling when they're rehearsing important conversations. If it goes really well they never have to say anything to anyone at all!

  15. rose says:

    "ha ha nooo im not looking for an apology!!" (But i for sure totally wouldn't mind it if you wanted to throw out a heart felt one right now)

  16. Philip says:

    I absolutely hate shaving my neck, but having a hairy neck is even worse.

  17. Donnyfightworld says:

    Eve of course, probably just wants to go to the water park or something.

  18. kuplavolkkari says:

    For Will, shaving is just separating the beard from the chest hair.

  19. NemoProprius says:

    What? He shaves under his face only? BLARGH!

  20. Sammy says:

    What things mattered before and don't anymore?

  21. Julia says:

    That bruise.. I mean the physical one!

  22. rufiangel says:

    The thing about this strip that gets me is the fact this happened after Will had a hard day, realised how far he was from his semi-significant-other and then came home to an empty house. It's like Eve came in JUST when he was feeling his most vulnerable, resulting in this reaction of feels. Will actually might have kept up a front and just casually responded to Eve if he hadn't been through such a rough day. Meredith is so intentional and real with these characters, it's scary sometimes. O_O;

    What I'm surprised about is how Eve's request to 'hang out' wasn't seen as just a simple hang-out but something with romantic intentions attached to it. (At least, from Will's point of view.) When they met after Will broke up with Marigold, Eve and Will shared a hug and a mutual understanding they would always be friends. Will was the one who invited Eve in that time and she said no… so why is the nuance here so different? What changed, Eve?

    Seriously, Octopus Pie always gets me to dwell and speculate at real-life depths. Darn it, Meredith!

    • Carlos says:

      Eve didn't just appear, Will looked for her.

      I don't think that Will's reaction here is due to romantic intentions. But there is history and effects between Will and Eve. The reason they are shipped so hard is because there is always something between them.

      Will talks things out with Eve, things that bring about a change in his life. They both do. Those conversations have preceded breakups, dynamic changes in the comic and story flow, and dramatic character evolution. Think of the conversation in his room that preceded his breakup with marigold, think of the conversation that preceded the last arc (Hanna and Marek's breakup). We can also go back even further, look at how the characters evolved after Will and Eve had that conversation meeting on the street (Eve was Santa Claus).

      They are catalysts in each other's life, and Will knows he's on the precipice of something. It might be a heavy makeout session, it might be doing one more step in trying to keep life under control. I think that the history they have is fundamental too, it makes it hard, even if his desire isn't fooling around (on any level) he can't but feel nervous about "the implication" and how it might seem (and wonder if it isn't what it actually is).

    • steelbright says:

      you guys both have such good points :3

      For me the timing felt like just the sort of overwhelming that that happens all at once in real life. Or, at least, M. has kept the timing from being perfect for so long that it feels random enough, even if it isn't. She's got real life timing down pat. :P

      It would be kinda hilarious if Eve wasn't thinking about anything romantic whatsoever. But more than that, I feel like the place she's in is a comfortable 'it-could-go-anywhere' phase (and that's unusual for her. ) Thus the weird excited-surprise eyes she's making in the previous page, haha. it's a place i recognize. it's a good place to start things (or re-start them?). but maybe Will isn't in a good place to start things?

      EVERYTHING IS SO REAL. THIS IS THE REALEST. MY HEART HURTS.

  23. getsiusmaior says:

    Panel 1 is reminding me a lot of Boulet.

  24. Kate says:

    Agh, just, this!! All of the shirts laid out on the bed, the "I'm just older now" -everything about this comic continues to be 100% spot on.

  25. Mycroft says:

    so weird to think Eve went from this http://www.octopuspie.com/2007-05-18/003-broken-u… to this…

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